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		<title>By: Sean Callanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Callanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work Atosha, yeah same problems teams like Knicks &amp; Mavs have with NBA.  I think the AFL deal came in at a time when the teams preferred the cash over creative control, not so much now.

Here&#039;s my take on what I heard on Sports Geek trip in the US.

http://www.sportsgeek.com.au/index.php/2010/02/08/working-with-league-brands/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work Atosha, yeah same problems teams like Knicks &amp; Mavs have with NBA.  I think the AFL deal came in at a time when the teams preferred the cash over creative control, not so much now.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my take on what I heard on Sports Geek trip in the US.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sportsgeek.com.au/index.php/2010/02/08/working-with-league-brands/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sportsgeek.com.au/index.php/2010/02/08/working-with-league-brands/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Atosha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atosha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mr Shinboner. I must admit I hadn&#039;t looked into what kind of deal Bigpond was getting and what it meant for the clubs. It seems like the AFL should be taking the majority of the blame here from what you are saying. I also would have thought that it doesn&#039;t benefit Bigpond to have the club websites turn away fans from using them.... 

As for the paywall I must admit as an Essendon supporter I haven&#039;t subscribed to the tv part of the website (nor have I with Liverpool FC, the majority of Premier League clubs have a similar thing) but I have subscribed to NBA.tv. But only because you get whole games and every game. Until the AFL gets that happening like you were saying I can&#039;t see paywalls being that successful. And from your figures clubs would need to sell alot of extra memberships/paywall subs/advertising to recoop the Bigpond money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mr Shinboner. I must admit I hadn&#8217;t looked into what kind of deal Bigpond was getting and what it meant for the clubs. It seems like the AFL should be taking the majority of the blame here from what you are saying. I also would have thought that it doesn&#8217;t benefit Bigpond to have the club websites turn away fans from using them&#8230;. </p>
<p>As for the paywall I must admit as an Essendon supporter I haven&#8217;t subscribed to the tv part of the website (nor have I with Liverpool FC, the majority of Premier League clubs have a similar thing) but I have subscribed to NBA.tv. But only because you get whole games and every game. Until the AFL gets that happening like you were saying I can&#8217;t see paywalls being that successful. And from your figures clubs would need to sell alot of extra memberships/paywall subs/advertising to recoop the Bigpond money.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Shinboner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Shinboner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.

I too lament the lack of innovation by the AFL and club websites. But the issue is fairly complex. Telstra Bigpond purchased the rights to all AFL/club websites for about $12m a year (expiring in 2011) - this is expected to double (at least) when the next deal is made (see here: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/stuntman-lifts-lid-on-esky-jump-20091219-l6wl.html). The only club that refused their share of the money and go it alone was Essendon. Presumably they recoup some, if not more money via advertising and a subscription-based service to access their television content. This creates another dilemma for clubs looking at going it alone - do they create a paywall to recuperate some of the costs and potentially alienate fans? Some of the smaller clubs (like my beloved North Melbourne) may not be able to recuperate the same money as the Bigpond contract provides either.

But one things for sure, things will only get more interesting when a National Broadband Network gets up. The possibilities re: direct user access to live broadcasts via IPTV technology are enormous. Potentially, the AFL TV broadcast deal, worth around $150m pa at the moment, will be near worthless in comparison. Whether clubs want to lock themselves into incredibly restrictive contracts like Bigpond&#039;s in such an environment will only become increasingly complex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.</p>
<p>I too lament the lack of innovation by the AFL and club websites. But the issue is fairly complex. Telstra Bigpond purchased the rights to all AFL/club websites for about $12m a year (expiring in 2011) &#8211; this is expected to double (at least) when the next deal is made (see here: <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/sport/stuntman-lifts-lid-on-esky-jump-20091219-l6wl.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/sport/stuntman-lifts-lid-on-esky-jump-20091219-l6wl.html</a>). The only club that refused their share of the money and go it alone was Essendon. Presumably they recoup some, if not more money via advertising and a subscription-based service to access their television content. This creates another dilemma for clubs looking at going it alone &#8211; do they create a paywall to recuperate some of the costs and potentially alienate fans? Some of the smaller clubs (like my beloved North Melbourne) may not be able to recuperate the same money as the Bigpond contract provides either.</p>
<p>But one things for sure, things will only get more interesting when a National Broadband Network gets up. The possibilities re: direct user access to live broadcasts via IPTV technology are enormous. Potentially, the AFL TV broadcast deal, worth around $150m pa at the moment, will be near worthless in comparison. Whether clubs want to lock themselves into incredibly restrictive contracts like Bigpond&#8217;s in such an environment will only become increasingly complex.</p>
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		<title>By: Atosha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atosha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jon. The Manchester City website is great and the best part for me is that they have really handed it over to the fans. The flickr is from the fan group and the spot for fan comments on the front page is an excellent idea. It&#039;s funny sports team websites the world over seem to be quite similar. The NBA http://www.nba.com has the same issues (all the teams use the same template). There&#039;s another article in that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jon. The Manchester City website is great and the best part for me is that they have really handed it over to the fans. The flickr is from the fan group and the spot for fan comments on the front page is an excellent idea. It&#8217;s funny sports team websites the world over seem to be quite similar. The NBA <a href="http://www.nba.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nba.com</a> has the same issues (all the teams use the same template). There&#8217;s another article in that!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Aizlewood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Aizlewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention Atosha, and interesting that even on the other side of the pond, sports franchises are completely missing a trick when it comes to their supporters.  Sports club websites can&#039;t be overlooked, each club owes their fans something unique and engaging - neither of which can be achieved by using pre-made site templates! 

Interesting too that many of the screengrabs you have here might as well be Prem League clubs, which only underlines how &#039;stale&#039; the designs have become if they can&#039;t be differentiated between completely different sports and countries!

I recommend your readers check out http://mcfc.co.uk, Manchester City&#039;s newly redesigned website, which was the catalyst for my original post.  They&#039;ve gone completely outside of the box and they&#039;re reaping the rewards of putting their supporters first with huge social media traction and presumably traffic.  

Great post, and like you I can&#039;t wait until each sports club, regardless of sport, treats their sites as they should be treated.. and not create them from a large cookie-cutter machine! 

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention Atosha, and interesting that even on the other side of the pond, sports franchises are completely missing a trick when it comes to their supporters.  Sports club websites can&#8217;t be overlooked, each club owes their fans something unique and engaging &#8211; neither of which can be achieved by using pre-made site templates! </p>
<p>Interesting too that many of the screengrabs you have here might as well be Prem League clubs, which only underlines how &#8216;stale&#8217; the designs have become if they can&#8217;t be differentiated between completely different sports and countries!</p>
<p>I recommend your readers check out <a href="http://mcfc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://mcfc.co.uk</a>, Manchester City&#8217;s newly redesigned website, which was the catalyst for my original post.  They&#8217;ve gone completely outside of the box and they&#8217;re reaping the rewards of putting their supporters first with huge social media traction and presumably traffic.  </p>
<p>Great post, and like you I can&#8217;t wait until each sports club, regardless of sport, treats their sites as they should be treated.. and not create them from a large cookie-cutter machine! </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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